Time To Grow Up – Sales eXchange 1980

By Tibor Shantotibor.shanto@sellbetter.ca

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When my kids were young and they would wish for something not real, or as a way to avoid a task, like “I wish I didn’t have to clean my room”, “I wish I could grow up to be a princess”, their grandmother always responded by saying “If wishes were horses then beggars would ride”.  It’s interesting how that expression has great significance and application to many sales people and sales advisors, all now grown-ups.

I am speaking specially of advice doled out by some sales pundits that serves more to placate and patronize readers than help them improve their selling skills and success, delivering clichés and politically correct feel good myth, instead of proven and practical road tested advice based on experience.  While we all want to make our audience feel good, I think it is more important to provide pragmatic advice that yields measurable results, even when it requires effort on the part of the reader and will often force them from their comfort zones.  I for one do not see a problem in challenging readers and sellers, and do not apologize for creating some discomfort in helping them succeed.  Much better than some of the sugar coated buzzword riddled schmaltz others seem to be peddling in an effort to make sellers feel good and allow them to rationalize their lack of effort, inventiveness and results.  But as we all know sugar highs don’t last.

If you are wondering why I am on about this, it’s because once again I have someone taking a shot at my often debated, never disproven voice mail technique, not because it doesn’t work, it does, but because it does not appeal to their “sensibilities”, a sensibility that leads to no returned calls.  As usual the technique is misrepresented, making it easier to cast in a questionable light, they then schmear a load of subjectivity mixed with value judgment, and raising but not speaking to the specifics of words like “trust” or “ethics”.

The reality is that there are no absolutes in sales, nothing works all the time, every time, most things don’t work most the time, so when you have a technique that proves to be 30% – 50% effective, you have something worth adopting.  What’s more, while the technique may seem counter intuitive at first, those who try it, report back a consistent success rate.  Recently there was a debate in a LinkedIn group, there were many who questioned the technique, who once they tried it, liked it, mostly because it got them call backs and appointments.

Most recently, the technique was again misrepresented, and labeled asinine.  I bet I can find some internal memos at most record companies dating back to 10 years ago that called iTunes an asinine way to sell and consume music.  I bet there were some Blockbuster folks who called Netflix asinine.  Interestingly few are willing to challenge it head on.  One challenger was invited to debate the technique on “This Week In Sales” webcast, but declined, I wonder why; not the worst thing, I had the whole show to myself.

As an industry, “sales enablers”, we keep highlighting the fact that only 50% of B2B reps make quota, well what is our role in that?  If we do not push them to better themselves by trying, new, alternative, and yes at times outlandish but effective methods.  We should challenge our audience, not just dust off the edges of tired techniques that play to the emotion of the reader even while ignoring the fact that what is being peddled are just retreads with new labels.

In the end it is down to the reader, our consumer, they choose how they want to make or not make quota.  In the end the readers are like we the pundits, some know what is Shinola, and what’s not.

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Voice Mail Survey0

By Tibor Shanto – tibor.shanto@sellbetter.ca

Survey

As you may know voice mail has been a hot topic in some circles lately, and an ongoing challenge for sales professionals.  I recently got tangled in a flare up about e-mail, as a result of a piece I wrote for Radius, titled: Get More Call Backs: How To Increase Returned Voicemails By 50%.  It got the usual support from those who have used it and engaged with prospects they have been seeking for a while; and the usual disbelief by sellers and pundits, I forgot to mention that you have to pick up the phone and try it for the technique to work.

This got me thinking, how many people actually leave voice mail, so I created the quick survey below, please take a minute to answer four easy voice mail related questions.

http://www.instant.ly/s/OrKVt

Thank you in advance!
Tibor Shanto

 

It’s Your Mini Resume Dude!0

By Tibor Shantotibor.shanto@sellbetter.ca

As some of you may know, last week was have fun with voice mail on LinkedIn, with people taking different reactions to a voice mail technique that gets me a 50% rate of returned calls.  In response to comments on an LinkedIn group, I posted on Friday about a specific dynamic that makes the technique in question successful.  The piece resulted in more comments, so I wanted to take another view that may help some understand what’s behind it, why it resembles something almost every critic of the technique already does without feel they are unethical, misleading and so on.

This storm reminded me of a similar reaction three or four years ago when I suggested that sales people should use text (SMS) as a prospecting tool.  People saw the suggestion as being unethical, underhanded, and just not professional.  This despite the fact that an executive, a prospect, was the one that suggested that I would have connected with him a lot sooner had I not limited my use of his cell number on his card to strictly voice.  But the overwhelming reaction at the time was that text to prospect was déclassé.  But now four years later it is a mainstream techniques acceptable to all.  Maybe time does not heal all wounds, but it does seem to wipe memory.

So I would suggest that when something seems uncomfortable you have two choices, try it and see, or pass an uninformed opinion.  So lets take a different look at the technique in question and see if we can get you to try.

The technique, (summarized here),  is very much like a mini resume.  Much the same way we use resumes to create the opportunity to entice a potential employer to call us back and invite us in for an interview that we hope will lead to employment and a mutually profitable relationship.

Let’s look at resumes, they exist to communicate in a concise way you capabilities vis-à-vis the position, anchored in our history in similar positions with similar company.  If you have been an A/R manager with one distributor, and a position opens up with another company you want to work for, you submit your resume featuring your experience with their competitor.   The potential employer, like most, will begin to begin to sort the hundreds of resumes they receive based on who they think will fit their requirement; and one of the most common means of selecting those that make the consideration list is their experience with similar companies.

As we all have been told, it is important to keep resumes short, using highlights, and then expanding once in the interview.  Depending on the source, some will tell you to keep it to two pages or less, a small amount of space to include past experience as well as other attributes we may have that would make us a suitable candidate.

It is also often a topic of discussion, that many resumes are the stuff of fiction and or embellishment.  Very different than the technique in question, which repeatedly emphasizes the need for honesty and ethical use of past experience.

It seems interesting that in the age where people are actively participating in micro-blogging, they would find problems with micro messaging when it comes to engaging with prospect.  I suspect the reality is one that is all too familiar in sales; sales people complaining that clients hang onto the Status Quo irrationally, while they do that very same things when it comes to embracing new or alternate – non-middle of the road – sales approaches.  Almost ironic as the group professes to be the home of fresh sales ideas.

Oddly,  one very vocal opponent, using words like misleading, deceiving, and so on, has held IT sales related positions with four or more different companies in the last 10 years, I bet if we looked at his resume, we would see all the previous companies he worked for, his related capabilities, and his accomplishments prominently listed in his resume.  Where is the difference?  Why is it OK to dangle past companies in one form, but not another?  We know the answer.

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Did You Get My Voice Mail?7

By Tibor Shantotibor.shanto@sellbetter.ca

Voice mail

Yesterday I got a call about a piece I wrote for Radius titled: Get More Call Backs: How To Increase Returned Voicemails By 50%.   Seems it has stirred up a discussion in one the LinkedIn groups, one I did not belong to, (since joined).

Whenever I do a piece on effective voice mail techniques, three things happen:

  1. It get a lot more hits than most other posts – telling me that this continues to be a challenge and hot button for sales people.
  2. In the first 24 hours a slew of feedback telling why the technique won’t work, it is gimmicky, unchristian and a range of other labels.  These comments come predominantly from people who do not like to cold call, don’t know how to cold call, never leave voice mail when given the opportunity, and are pissed that they are not getting return calls, when I, and those using my techniques do.  These are folks who have not studied the dynamics at play in effective voice mail, generally have a less than sufficient prospects in their pipeline, and BTW, have not tried the technique they are commenting on.
  3. Within about 48 hours, I get a bunch of e-mails from people who tried the technique, got a calls back, got an appointment with someone they have been trying to connect with for sometime without success, and they now have one or more new prospects in their pipeline.

The real difference between the two is the latter is committed to continues improvement, willing to invest time, effort and practice to integrating new techniques to their selling tool kit.  They understand it takes work to fill the pipeline, and if the state of their pipeline is going to change, it requires change in their approach and habits.

The first group, the doubters, fail to take into account and understand the dynamics involved in leaving effective voice mails.  Let’s look at one specific factor.

Most people these days are jammed, need to pack 16 hours into a ten hour day, they don’t have time to listen to your rambling voice mail, telling them about how great your something is when they already have that something.  Since at any given time, about 5% – 10% of your market is actively looking for your something, that’s the total potential of people who may have an interest in calling you back.  By leaving a conventional voice mail, chances are less than 5% – 10% may call you back, unless they already have a vendor in mind, in which case no call back.

Let’s face it, the reason most people want you to “leave a detailed message”, is so they can know exactly why not to call you back, and they don’t.  So no matter how polished your message is, the more content it has the less your chances of getting a call back.  So despite what one of my most recent critics suggested in the LinkedIn discussion, saying I “should spend some time doing research on the buyer so they can leave a message that’s in line with their expectations.”  There is an idea, waste time researching to not talk to anyone, hmm?  The most effective voice mails are those that are counter intuitive.

The mistake many make is trying to sell or get an appointment via voice mail, WRONG! Good luck if you have never spoken to them in the past.

The only purpose to leaving a voice mail is to get a call back – again to get a call back.  When that call comes, you can then proceed to getting the appointment or engagement if you are in inside sales.  GET THE CALL BACK! THAT’S IT!

I would argue that the only way to do that is to create a bit of curiosity, one that would create an environment where with little effort, the person you are calling can make a call to resolve their curiosity, THE CALL BACK, once you have them on the line, then you bring your sales or appointment setting skills to play.

The technique in question results in me getting 50% of voice mails returned.  That may piss off some people not willing to try, but really what’s the issue, the method is there, you don’t want to use it, don’t knock those who do, just because they have a healthy pipeline, and fat babies.

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Try it, and then talk!  

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Tibor Shanto

De-Socializing, Relationships & Stretching Sales Time101

As the debate about whether “Relationship Selling” is dead or not rages on, there are some things you can do as a seller to protect and stretch your selling time and results now, regardless of which way the coin lands.

We are a social creature, just witness the growth in social media and its impact on selling.  Relationships are laced with social rituals, customs, and expectations.  Some expectations and social norms, asking someone how they are when you first get on the phone, asking them about their plans for the long weekend, summer holidays, you get the picture.  Others are self imposed. But the one thing they all have in common is that they consume time.

I have dealt with time in a number of ways, because after all it is your most valuable resources, and as such you need to be cautious as to how you spend it, because you can only use it once.  And while everyone can talk about the big time wasters, how to mitigate them, you can often do small things on the fringe to get ahead.  Five minutes here, five minutes there, and if you claw those back you can gain an hour of selling time by the end of the week.

The challenges is that some social norms or conventions that are present in selling, and consume time unnecessarily.  People do them without thinking, and in the process “spend” (think of time as a currency), more than the value they gain from their spend.  So here are a couple of small things that you can do, that add up, but may at first seem socially uncomfortable.

You know when you are talking to a client, good client, always telling you what’s going on in their company, ribs you every Monday about the outcome of football game, always so pleasant, never fails to ask about the kids; you have a great relationship.  You promised them that you would have an answer to their question by morning, simple thing, the dimensions and density of the new part, and expected delivery date.  You got the data as you are supposed to, you call, and it unfolds in the usual way:

You:    Hi, how you doing?
Client:    Great, we’ve been so busy, and you know George is finally back, and blah blah blah… (90 seconds)
You:    I know exactly what you mean I remember blah blah blah… (35 seconds)
Client:    Especially when blah blah blah… (35 seconds)
You:    Anyways, I have that info for you … (60 seconds)
Client:    That’s great, listen Hun, you be good, what are you up to this weekend, I am thinking of seeing that new movie…. blah blah blah… (60 seconds)
You:    Ya, I heard that too…blah blah (35 seconds)… well have a good one

Five minutes to transmit two bits of data!  I could have done it in a 15 second voice mail, with all the social wrapping.

Rather than calling during prime time, what we call face time in sales, I could have called at 6:40, pulling in to my driveway, leaving a voice mail with the same data, and they would have had it as promised by morning.  Small change, lived up to my commitment, same friendly social “hey we have a relationship” voice, everything good, and I have saved five minute.  Time’s money – how much did I just save?  Well if I invest in prospecting, and score a prospect, tons!

This leads us to the second change in habit I will encourage you to adopt.  Stay away from promising to have things to them “by the end of the day!”  Most of the time, you do literally that at the end of the day, and they don’t deal with it before morning.  Instead, promise this:

“It’ll be in your inbox when you come in the morning.”

This takes the pressure of you do have everything done by 5:00, and regain control of your time by allocating the right time t the right activity.  If it is there when you promised, when they open their inbox, than you are still a pro, lived up to your commitment, the client doesn’t care if you sent that e-mail at 6:00 pm or 10:30 pm, it is there when they expected!  And you just got an uptick on your ROT investment.

Don’t forget to Join us in Houston, October 18 for the Proactive Prospecting Workshop!

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Houston, We Have The Solution!74

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If you are in B2B sales, and need to engage with more new prospects, mark this date on your calendar, then sign up for this full day interactive prospecting program.

Whether you are with a small company or large,  veteran or just launching your career, this workshop will give you the fundamentals needed to connect and engage with more qualified buyers.

We leave dogma at the door, this is not about old school vs. new school, this is about executing a proven methodology for prospecting more effectively and filling your pipeline with the quality prospects in the right  quantities.  This is the same program that has helps thousands of sale professionals improve their skills and increase prospects and sales.  Sales professional in dozens of companies are using the methods and process delivered in the Proactive Prospecting Workshop to deliver consistent results.

What you’ll learn…

  • Overcome the fear of cold calling
  • Develop techniques for making successful cold calls
  • Take a proactive role in filling your sales pipeline
  • Write effective e-mails – Leave voice mail messages that get returned
  • Handle Objections – win more  appointments

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Leave Me a Voice Mail!!!55

Believe it or not, voice mail has been around since the late 1970′s, and for all the advances mankind has made since then, voice mail still seems to puzzle and cripple the success of many B2B sales people.  Further, it seems that some sales people don’t want to figure it out and master it for sales success, to borrow a term from a recent commercial, they see voice mail as “an enigma wrapped up in a conundrum“.

But it doesn’t have to be, I and others have shared road tested proven methodologies for using and leveraging voice mail for sales success.  As recently as a few weeks ago I had someone spend time questioning the method and success, without ever trying for themselves, go figure!

As a result of that adventure, Kevin Gaither of This Week In Sales invited me to elaborate on the use of voice mail and break down some common fears and myths.  So here for your pleasure and profit is that exchange with Kevin.

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Next Step

  • Understand the goal of voice mail
  • Be counter intuitive
  • Stop making excuses and leave a message

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Voice Mail Disputed!50

“Don’t care what they say about me, as long as the spell my name right” Unknown celebrity

I am not sure who the quote above is attributable to, but I have adopted a 21st century version of it for my blog an writings in general:

“I don’t care who borrows, posts or uses things I write, as long as they get my link right”

For the most part this has led to some good discussion, a lot of learning for me, and if I take them at their word, has helped some sales people to sell better.

It recently came to my attention that a blog, (don’t worry, I’ll name), had commented on my content, challenging what I had written.  It seems, Chris Holman, of ClientWise, in a blog post titled “Get the Upper Hand on Voicemail“, , doubts my repeated experience of getting 50% of voice mails I leave for B2B prospects returned within 72 hours,  to quote:

“Although I would dismiss some of Mr. Shanto’s assertions as sheer puffery, e.g. “50% of my voicemails are returned in 72 hours”, I actually like the way he frames up the entire communication environment that has led to the prevalence of the use of voicemail today.”

Puffery, I mean I gave up smoking cigarettes years ago, talk about a complement that still stings!

I have left a comment on Mr. Holman’s blog, challenging him to put the method to the test.  I am willing to put up!  Will it surprise you to know that Mr. Holman has yet to approve or publish my comment, I wonder why?  But I will repeat my offer to teach him the method and help him achieve what I and many of my clients have come to expect, people regularly and willingly calling us back based on a voice mail we leave.  I have yet to hear back from Mr. Holman, I want to think it is because he has tried the method and is now spending his time busy with returned calls, but who knows.

One thing I have come to learn in my learn in my role, is that the very same people who say you can’t possibly do something you do daily, are really saying they themselves can’t do it, and lack the wherewithal to step beyond their own limitations to experience new success and growth.  Pity!

Next Step

  • Mr. Holman, give me a call
  • I have a free pass for my upcoming Proactive Prospecting Workshop in Toronto April 13, we’ll cover voice mail specifically
  • Try it, it is amazing what you can do, when you choose to do it, instead of doubting

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Tactical use of Voice Mail13

Voice mail continues to be a topic of discussion whenever sales people get together.  For me the question of whether you do or do not leave voice mails when prospecting is so Sales -1.0, you do!  In the past we have looked at effective voice mail techniques, but here I was asked what other uses and advantages there can be to voice mail.  You can see my answer below, try it out, have some fun, and make some sales.

httpvh://youtu.be/RgEH0Yw9G40

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Mastering Voice Mail14

Two weeks ago I in a post title Prospecting and the “Last Inch”, looking at key thing to consider at that final moment when you have to reach out and engage directly with your prospect.  Towards the end of that conversation, I was asked how I felt about voice mail,  I said I love voice mail, always leave a message, in fact went on to say that if you don’t leave voice mail messages, you should leave the business.

In today’s video, I go into detail about leaving effective voice mails, how to leverage them and make them a core part of you campaign to win specific buyers.  As with many things in sales, it is not always about what you do, but why you do things, what your objective should be and how to properly execute to create the right balance and get a good number of calls back.

I get 50% of messages I leave returned within 72 hours, watch the video below to see how.

httpvh://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mPGkOP2vac

Try it out and let me know how you make out. But Don’t Wait, do try it today.

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